Which goes to show that “anyone” hasn’t looked very hard.

The film is being distributed by TVF International (http://www.tvfinternational.com/the-voyage-that-shook-the-world-2/), a secular broadcast agent in London and is in the process of being sold to broadcasters. “Voyage” has been marketed twice at MIPCOM in Cannes, and is being shown in public cinema screenings in Australia.

So you started by getting it wrong. Doesn’t exactly instill confidence in the rest of your comments…

Thanks for the offer. I have emailed you separately.

(I’ve also removed your email address so that it doesn’t get spammed).

I’m with CMI and we’d be happy to send you a review copy of the DVD so you can judge it for yourself. It may take a week or so, but where would you like it to be sent?

All the best,

[removed e-mail address]

The producers state that the documentary was designed for and to appeal to secular broadcasters and is being marketed to those broadcasters.

Bovine excrement. They have made no appeal to any secular broadcaster that anyone can find. They state in their material that they made the movie to further their “ministry” (ministry of evil, I would call it). They schedule no screenings to sell the film to distributors. They enter the film in no festivals to increase the chances of getting screenings and sales in secular areas. Instead, they schedule viewings in churches across the world — and in no other sites — and openly appeal for contributions, love offerings, to their “ministry.”

Undercover film operations are one thing — this is not that. Ambush journalism is another, and this falls into that category, but without the word “journalism” being appropriate in any way. Jesus said we shouldn’t hide lights under bushels, but these guys don’t have lights. Their attempt to put bushels over the lights of historians and scientists is, by Biblical terms, evil. I think all Christians should feel compelled to speak out against this voodoo history, voodoo religion film.

I suggest you park your bias until you can comment on the film intelligently.

You have a bizarre definition of intelligence. I suggest you buck up, straighten your spine and speak out against injustice and error. Bias for accuracy is never something that should wait.

As for diabetics (my sister is one), quite how you arrived at such a nonsensical conclusion is beyond me. How does a belief in evolution have anything to do with discoveries that led to our modern understanding of diabetes. Diabetes have treatments today because real scientists did real science observing and understanding how things happen in the PRESENT, rather than pseudo-science ‘religionists’ speculating about what happened in the past.

Speaking of reserving judgment, perhaps you should reserve comment until you acquaint yourself with the history of diabetes. The cause of the disease — faults in the pancreas — were accidentally discovered by surgeons practicing surgery on dogs. They removed the dogs’ pancreases, and discovered they had induced diabetes in the dogs. Their surgery practice was based on the common evolutionary understanding that animals are, evolutionarily, analogs of humans, mammals, especially. So the discovery of diabetes’ cause was based on applied evolution theory.

Treating diabetes then became a serious pursuit. Eventually scientists determined that a lack of insulin usually caused the symptoms. The search was on to find a source of insulin to treat diabetics. Again, evolution theory provided the answer, and porcine and bovine pancreases, supplied from slaughterhouses, provided the insulin to treat the disease. Applied evolution theory once again.

Today, most diabetics in the western world use Humulin or another drug similar to that brand. It is human insulin manufactured by bacteria which have been genetically engineered with the insertion of human genes to make the bacteria produce human insulin. Each step of genetic engineering was done with full understanding of the processes in the evolution theory, in pursuit of further understanding of evolution. Applied evolution theory, once again.

Here is a good, simple explanation of history, from the Nobel Foundation website.

In fact diabetes is exactly the type of disease that condemns the very premise of evolution i.e. mutation and natural selection working in harmony to ‘create’ something bigger and better. Diabetes is just one more example of catastrophic genetic failure that causes pain & suffering. It is the very anti-thesis of evolution.

Evolution does not have goals. Evolution happens. Your misunderstanding of evolution is at least as signficant as your ignorance of the history of diabetes and its treatment.

If diabetes were left untreated, most Type I and many Type II victims would die before they could have children. Natural selection in action. But it’s really more complex than that — diabetes tends to occur often when the victim inherits two recessive genes, so the genetic tendency can descend in a family with no operation of natural selection able to knock it out.

In fact, since your sister has the disease, it is likely that you and your siblings and children have a genetic predisposition for the disease. You should make your physician aware so you can be appropriately tested annually. Another life-saving application of practical evolution theory.

Speaking of sisters – have you actually pondered why it’s not a good idea to get married to one? Because the human genome has mutated so badly!!! Hardly a compelling testimony to the wonders of the evolutionary process.

How bizarre that you’d think evolution should smooth the path to incest by making it no problem. You’d do well to study evolution and see how it really works. You may also want to see a counselor about those feelings for your sister.

In evolutionary terms, your sister would not appear so appealing as a better genetic match. Your olfactories and Jensen’s Organ should alert you — evolutionary defenses against incest, and in favor of good genetic blending.

Have you ever studied evolution?

Perhaps you might want to go away and brush up on the history of science and see where the real influences came from.

Yikes!

Could you tell us your sources on the history of science? They were clearly faulty, and I’d like to avoid them.

This production and the methods of the producers bring shame not only on them, but on all Christians. This is quite painful.

In fact diabetes is exactly the type of disease that condemns the very premise of evolution i.e. mutation and natural selection working in harmony to ‘create’ something bigger and better. Diabetes is just one more example of catastrophic genetic failure that causes pain & suffering. It is the very anti-thesis of evolution.

Where to start with such a ridiculous statement? Well, for one, evolution is much more than “mutation and natural selection”. For two, no one ever said they work “in harmony”, whatever that means. It seems to imply that they have will-power, which they don’t – they are mindless forces. For three, there’s nothing in any description of evolution that implies or states that it will only be creating something “bigger and better”, except in creationist drivel when they are trying to slander it. Indeed, the mutation can cripple a person pretty severely, as we’ve all seen, and natural selection takes over and typically that person doesn’t continue on in life, or reproduce in order to continue that line of mutation. That’s natural selection for you.

Think of evolution as a giant tree growing up toward the sun. In this analogy, each branch created has a slightly different genetic makeup. Branches that don’t grow as quickly get less sunlight, and ones that grow faster tend to get more sunlight and grow better and stronger. Branches can have positive mutations, neutral mutations, and negative mutations. Examples of each might be: Growing wider leaves (positive), a susceptibility to certain blights (negative), and changing the pigment in its bark to be a slightly different color (neutral). There’s probably better examples of neutral mutations, but the point still stands: Having a susceptibility to certain blights will likely cause that specific branch to die off more quickly, or grow more slowly, and by natural selection, the stronger, heartier branches overtake it.

Now, go lie down and think about the silliness of your statement like a good child.

Just like Nat Geo, the BBC and Discovery do, every time they talk about creationism.

NOT!

Do you have any idea about how documentaries are made???

The producers state that the documentary was designed for and to appeal to secular broadcasters and is being marketed to those broadcasters.

I suggest you park your bias until you can comment on the film intelligently.

As for diabetics (my sister is one), quite how you arrived at such a nonsensical conclusion is beyond me. How does a belief in evolution have anything to do with discoveries that led to our modern understanding of diabetes. Diabetes have treatments today because real scientists did real science observing and understanding how things happen in the PRESENT, rather than pseudo-science ‘religionists’ speculating about what happened in the past.

In fact diabetes is exactly the type of disease that condemns the very premise of evolution i.e. mutation and natural selection working in harmony to ‘create’ something bigger and better. Diabetes is just one more example of catastrophic genetic failure that causes pain & suffering. It is the very anti-thesis of evolution.

Speaking of sisters – have you actually pondered why it’s not a good idea to get married to one? Because the human genome has mutated so badly!!! Hardly a compelling testimony to the wonders of the evolutionary process.

Perhaps you might want to go away and brush up on the history of science and see where the real influences came from.

Yikes!

Can’t these people of faith be at least as honest as a crooked, wife-cheating politician?

In March 2009 we wrote an article about the film in Creation magazine (subscribers in over 170 countries) in which we stated openly that Fathom Media was a subsidiary production company we set up. In a footnote, we explained: “This allowed us more freedom to approach the places we wanted to film and be judged on the merits and the aims of the project, without being discriminated against on the basis of our name.”

Let’s be fair now: Submit the movie, without credits, to a panel of historians familiar with science, evolution and Darwin, and let them review it — same way these propagandists made the movie. Then, if the reviews are not favorable as to honesty and accuracy, don’t release it. Judge it on its merits, eh?

Does the film talk about the enormous successes we’ve seen as a result of Darwin’s work? Does it say, for example, that diabetics now may live long, productive lives, due to the practical applications of the theory in understanding the origins, causes, and treatments of the disease?

Or does it suggest that there is some dark problem with the theory of evolution, that it is in some way false?

We cherry pick information about George Washington, too. We may emphasize his behind-the-scenes fights with Congress, his use of spies, to indicate how hard he fought to hold together the Continental Army and the republic-in-birth; or we can note his long periods without engaging the British, and suggest Washington wasn’t always so decisive as perhaps he should be. But no longer may we say he cut down his father’s cherry tree and told the truth about it, thereby establishing him as the most honest man in history. We know that story was a complete fabrication, and it would be dishonest to suggest it is true, say by presenting evidence that George Washington’s father grew cherries, and showing stumps of cherry trees.

This film doesn’t strike me so much as cherry picking as cherry tree chopping, in order to get a stump to put on camera.

Why are the filmmakers avoiding screenings for scientists or historians? It appears they fully understand the propaganda value and target of the movie by putting it in fundamentalist churches alone, avoiding even the majority of religious views on evolution.

BTW, I have seen the film and I would aver that perhaps this is not quite the documentary one might expect from a YEC organization…